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Kevin Bussey (aka k-dawg)
Lead Pastor
Charlotte, NC, USA


Samford University: B.S. Public Administration, 1985
University of Alabama at Birmingham: M.A. Education, 1988

Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary: MDivBL, 1995


Married to:
Cassandra (6-25-88)

Children:
Jacob
Hope

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Thursday, February 23, 2006

Questions about the IMB Baptism Policy?

What constitues a legitimate baptism according to the new guidelines with IMB? I was just considering worst case scenarios..... 1. If the person being baptised falls coming down the steps and immersed before the pastor touches them--does this count as a "legitimate" baptism? 2. If the pastor performing the baptism is having a bad day and maybe is doubting his salvation--does this count as a "legitimate" baptism? 3. If the person being baptised is not dunked all the way under--does this count as a "legitimate" baptism? 4. If the person is baptised in a church that gives only 9.9% to the Cooperative Program--does this count as a "legitimate" baptism? 5. If the pastor says something un-audible that is mistaken for a private prayer language while they are raising their hand during the baptism--does this count as a "legitimate" baptism? 6. If the robes used during the baptism were not purchased at Lifeway--does this count as a "legitimate" baptism? 7. If the person being baptised is being immersed by water provided by Annheiser Busch (during hurricane relief) --does this count as a "legitimate" baptism? 8. If a person is baptised and a tree falls in the forest and no one is there....-does this count as a "legitimate" baptism?

posted by Kevin Bussey at 2/23/2006 05:30:00 PM

22 Comments:

Blogger joe kennedy said...

that's hilarious.

2/23/2006 06:23:00 PM  
Blogger Bowden McElroy said...

Re: #8. Was the tree in a forest at one of our Baptist encampments? 'Cause, I'm thinking that'll make a difference.

2/23/2006 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

Bowden,

I didn't think about that one! That's good

2/23/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger steve w said...

hey, kdawg, the only people allowed to officially answer your questions aren't commenting, so don't hold your breath.

my "unofficial" answer is i'd rebaptize #1 & #3. just don't ask me to back up my answer either biblically or on the basis of baptist history.

one more thing... i'm sure glad my last swallow of coffee was too far down the hatch to come spewing out my nose and all over my monitor when i read this!

2/23/2006 07:48:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Kevin,

I don't mean to change the tone of this conversation, but I do have a rather interesting question:

Where in the Scriptures does it say a "pastor" or "minister" (et al) can only baptize a new believer?

Please know that I'm NOT looking to pick a fight or start trouble. I'm asking this purely from a lay person who is trying to understand.

2/23/2006 09:27:00 PM  
Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

Mark,

It doesn't say it anywhere. There are many churches that allow lay members to baptise. It's cool with me. I don't like the new IMB policies though.

2/23/2006 09:44:00 PM  
Blogger JUSTAMOE said...

9. A person is baptized in a creek near a small country church building--except the creek is running low, and only the back-half of the new believer gets wet; is this a legitimate baptism?

A few years ago, a fellow in our church requested being rebaptized because the scenario above described his first baptism--and his conscience wouldn't let him rest (I wished his former pastor had just rolled him over a time or two in the creek; by the time I got him, he weighed about 300 pounds!).

2/23/2006 10:49:00 PM  
Blogger John Stickley said...

Great stuff... we need a bit of humor about this issue every now and then!

2/23/2006 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger art rogers said...

Very nice. Hyperbole make the point very well.

2/24/2006 12:25:00 AM  
Blogger JUSTAMOE said...

10. A new convert, wonderfully excited about being baptized, begins the backward plunge by himself, before the minister has finished say, ". . . I baptize you, my brother, . . ."--the pastor is caught 'way off-guard, lunges quickly to catch the new believer before he hurts himself, and takes on a lot of water into his waders. Is this 2 legitimate baptisms?

11. Another new believer, afraid of being baptized but willing, grabs the glass between the tank and the choir loft just as the rest of her is lowered backward into the water by the pastor. May all but her right arm be appointed by the IMB as a foreign missionary?

Someone should write the book, "Baptism Stories I Couldn't Tell When I Was a Pastor".

2/24/2006 06:59:00 AM  
Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

Great ideas Mo!

2/24/2006 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger Larry said...

The baptizer must ensure that the baptisees (no such word I hope) wallet is completely immersed to insure proper tithing so the church building programs will continue unabated.

My aunt was baptized in a Baptist church then switched to a COC. She felt her baptism was valid, but because of all the flak she received from the COC about her baptism being unscriptural (wrong church) she was finally re-baptized "into" the COC; then everyone went home happy.

2/24/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger art rogers said...

This may take a minute, but I have to tell this story here.

In my first position as a Youth Minister while still in college, ('87) I led a young lady to the Lord. She was "big boned," and by that I mean should was exactly that - not the euphamism for overweight. She was taller, wider and stronger than me, by far.

Anyway, it turns out that she is a little scared when it comes time to be baptized. Our interim pastor at the time was a wiley old veteran who had seen it all, but maybe not this.

She was not just bigger than me, she was bigger than every other man in the church, including our interim pastor - a retired minister. As he tried to lean her back, she would just start walking backward to keep from being tipped into the water.

After a few tries, Dr. M, offers her the chance to leave so that he can baptize the others who were waiting. The Youth Group, sitting front and center are snickering like crazy and I am just trying to keep some symblance of normalcy and decorum.

As the others are being baptized, some well meaning helper convinces this girl - only a sophomore, by the way - to try again after everyone else. This was not Dr. M's plan as he started to move into the service, but is inturrupted with this girl coming back into the pool.

He graciously, but in a startled way, allows her back and comments that we will try this one more time. As he starts to baptize her, it looks as though she will back up again, but all of a sudden, her legs, uncovered and bigger than any man's in the room, shoot straight into the air as her head goes back. She comes up spluttering and tries to get her feet back under her.

The Youth Group is in complete meltdown. I am no longer trying to quiet them as I am laughing almost uncontrollably myself. Dr. M pulls it together, helps her out and gives the service to the Minister of Music at the podium.

In Staff meeting the next day, I bring it up, sensing the elephant in the room and we just start laughing about it. Everyone else does, too - we had a great staff that was very real, no false fronts. I ask what happened and how did he get her to go down and why did her legs shoot up?

Dr. M smiles and looks down. "Well, I wasn't going to put up with that foolishness all day. I don't know who sent her back down there, but I was going to move on when she came walking back into the pool. Nothing I could do, but I decided that if she started that walking back stuff again, I would stop it."

"What did you do?" I asked.

"When she started back, I just kicked her feet out from under her and put her down."

Silence.

Mass hysteria.

My question is, that since she her legs were under and her head was under, but not at the same time, is this a valid baptism?

2/24/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

Art,

That is a great story!

2/24/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

Cool story Justamoe

Blogspot has been slow today.

2/24/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger JUSTAMOE said...

I was the "authorized" baptizer on challenging #'s 10 and 11 above.

At another time, to be more serious and sober, a mom (later our church's secretary) and her daughter and son, were candidates for baptism. I asked the husband/dad to help me with preparations on the men's side of the tank--knowing that he wasn't a Christian and had contributed a lot to the dysfunction of his family. He agreed, and was as near as the tank's top step during the whole thing and watching it all.

A few weeks later, during suppertime at the parsonage, there was a knock at the door. It was this man--he'd driven the 20 miles between his house and the parsonage to find out how to become a Christian and have a happier home. He invited Jesus Christ into his life right there on the front deck of the parsonage, and I got to baptize him too.

We need more LOST PEOPLE helping with baptisms in our churches so that they'll be that close--physically--to understanding what they're missing spiritually!

Baptize some new Christians this Sunday, everybody!

(P.S. Having a little trouble getting blogspot.com to accept this posting--as if anyone wanted to read this; may have posted it 28 times by now!)

2/24/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger Kiki Cherry said...

Kevin,

I love this post!!! Doug and I were laughing out loud.

The additional stories are great, too.

This stuff needs to be published somewhere. (Maybe Walker Moore at Awe Star ministries would do it. He writes one of my favorite columns in the Baptist Messenger.)

2/24/2006 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger jgf said...

I read your blog often, but have never commented. However, I had to on this one! It is hilarious!

My dad was a Baptist preacher for 30 years. Even though we weren't in the same conference as you, these fit great!

2/24/2006 04:12:00 PM  
Blogger Den Mother said...

If you baptize a pregnant woman, is it infant baptism?

2/25/2006 12:56:00 AM  
Blogger art rogers said...

Den Mother,

Very nice. I laughed out loud.

2/25/2006 08:26:00 AM  
Blogger Kevin Bussey said...

Den Mother,

That's priceless!

2/25/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger Tim Sweatman said...

Re: #4. It would not be a legitimate baptism for IMB purposes since a church that gives only 9.9% is not a cooperating Southern Baptist Church (it HAS to be 10%). But it would definitely count for the "Everyone Can" challenge. When you're trying to get a million, you can't afford to be picky.


Re: #11 (by justamoe). She would have to follow the biblical injunction (I'm paraphrasing here; I don't have my HCSB with me), "If your right arm offends you, cut it off and cast it from you." Then she could be a missionary.

3/03/2006 02:46:00 AM  

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